Comments on: Absurd Christian Account of Castro Altercation

By: Timothy (TRiG)

Timothy (TRiG) — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:14:52 +0000

Right-wing Christians do have a habit of lying whenever it suits them to do so (see various stuff put about by James Dobson or any creationist you may come across), which does make it difficult to take them seriously.

TRiG.

By: Marcus French

Marcus French — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:14:50 +0000

Logan,

I debunk the Joe.My.God. post you mentioned here: http://voiceofrevolution.askdrbrown.org/2008/11/19/kingdoms-in-conflict-update-and-debunking-rumors/

By: Marcus French

Marcus French — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:19:03 +0000

Logan,

Whether or not you would agree with their theology or beliefs, I know the group to be truthful and honest, which is why we ran with their story.

By: Marcus French

Marcus French — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:12:32 +0000

Hmm…. Looks like I forgot to put blockquote tags in that last comment, the first paragraph is obviously a quote from you post.

By: logan

logan — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:09:58 +0000

Marcus, I still see no verifiable “proof.” It’s all hearsay at this point, on both sides. (To be clear, I’m not believing anything I hear from the gay Castro residents at this point either.)

If your claims stopped at the coffee and whistles, I’d probably believe it pretty easily. But the claims that the people were knocked to the ground, and sexually molested are hard to believe.

I am currently contacting the SFPD through various channels to get an official statement or report from them. My research on the JHOP has led me to believe that they intentionally may try to stir up trouble, all the while putting on a facade of peaceful worshipers.

I came across this today which makes me question the true intentions of this group in the Castro that night:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/11/elijah-jezebel-showdown.html

I will report back when I have the SFPD incident report…

By: Marcus French

Marcus French — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:59:18 +0000

Logan,

I laughed out loud when I read Marcus’ account. Talk about inflammatory and imaginative! Wooee, I have seen fiction that innovative and imaginary since the first Harry Potter book hit the shelves. Oh, and never mind the factual news reporting by KTVU. Why would a news station report the story accurately? No, instead we should take the word of a gay-hating religious wing-nut who runs an incendiary blog. Okaaaayyy.

Have television stations ever gotten a story wrong? Especially when they neglect to interview both sides?

Now that you’ve seen the official story from the people that actually were involved in this situation, do you still believe my account is “absurd”? If so, what would make you draw this conclusion? Were the police escorting the JHOP people out of there just to have a good time? Or were they in serious danger?

By: Marcus French

Marcus French — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:06:49 +0000

Official statement just released from the JHOP team: http://voiceofrevolution.askdrbrown.org/2008/11/19/kingdoms-in-conflict-official-statement-from-jhop/

By: Matt Comer

Matt Comer — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:26:25 +0000

Logan, I posted a somewhat lengthy response/analysis of this conflict:
http://www.interstateq.com/archives/2907/

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InterstateQ.com » Blog Archive » Blogger wars: Religion edition — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:05:07 +0000

[...] follow-up with personal testimony of the night’s events, and while I’ve already admitted several times that I believe the conflict got out-of-hand, this molestation claim remains one of the most outrageous claims I’ve ever heard. Public [...]

By: John Hensley

John Hensley — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:21:08 +0000

I love the part where the fundie says that “maybe” she was urinated on. I guess she heard somewhere that the filthy fags are into that sort of thing, so “maybe” that’s what happened.

By: Marcus French

Marcus French — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:26:03 +0000

Logan,

Reading the YouTube account again, I see that it leaves out a few things that our email source contained. I’ve written a followup to the article that contains further details on our sources here: http://voiceofrevolution.askdrbrown.org/2008/11/19/kingdoms-in-conflict-followup/

By: Marcus French

Marcus French — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:26:39 +0000

Matt,

Thanks for “hounding” me concerning this. I’ll be more thorough about publicizing my sources in the future.

By: Marcus French

Marcus French — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:53:37 +0000

Just added this note to the post:

Editor’s Note: Our source for much of this information was the account of a member of the JHOP team in a private email. The story is the same in wording and substance as what was posted on the YouTube video we linked to (the account can be seen if you click on “More Info” to the upper right), thus it is public knowledge.

Believe the account given from the JHOP people or don't believe it, but I know it is from someone that was there at the scene.

By: logan

logan — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:27:53 +0000

Thanks Matt. Glad to see I’m not the only blog Marcus is selling his untruths on. I spoke to the Castro district City Supervisor, and he also had no reports of the violence that Marcus claims took place.

By: Matt Comer

Matt Comer — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:15 +0000

Hey there. My name is Matt Comer. I live in Charlotte, NC, where I am the editor of an LGBT newspaper.

On the side, I run my own blog and I’ve also been hounding Marcus on this story. I’ve met Marcus and ate lunch with him recently. I also know his minister, Dr. Michael Brown. Brown’s organization and ministry are among the most anti-gay in the Charlotte, NC, area.

I’ve been going back and forth with Marcus on this story at my blog (http://www.interstateq.com/archives/2905/) and at his.

While I can believe the protest might have gotten out of hand (as many of them have), I’ve found ZERO evidence from any reputable source to back up his unverified report of “molestation” by gay protesters.